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This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
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I don't necessarily think you need to merge it when talking about a system. they're still individual personalities.
1:18 PM
Alex is tired and not thinking clearly, obviously
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:18 PM
mhm
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Knowing a lot of fictives has wigged us out sometimes lol
what'd you mean by this?
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:20 PM
what we're talking about dips wayyyy into the meta And explaining it would be Basically in possible right now We're tiered and out of sync some of us are still skepctical, and it's more rooted in a certain group we associate with than us
1:20 PM
so
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yeahh
1:20 PM
guess we will sleep
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in possible
yep you need the sleps
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:21 PM
shhhhhh
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eyes no work fingies ded
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spellin is in possible
1:22 PM
was a joke that time
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WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE
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oh
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:22 PM
no
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still
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go
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shoo
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:22 PM
no
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down boy
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rool over
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play ded
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:22 PM
you're not our mUM
1:22 PM
w'er enot a dog
1:23 PM
wow look at the spell
1:23 PM
fantastic
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alright well i'm going to stop responding to you until you eventually pass out out of boredom (edited)
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:23 PM
nighttt
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or
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morninggg
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godbye forever
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Deleted User 4/29/2020 1:29 PM
Night all
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Been fun
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goodnight. conversing with you was a lot more fun in here than in lounge
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Deleted User 4/29/2020 1:30 PM
Lmao
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Alex/Casper (Aether System) 4/29/2020 1:33 PM
Hehehe we tricked youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu We are a master of deception >:3
1:33 PM
you thought we were goneeee
1:33 PM
lies
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Whoooa active meta!!
5:32 PM
I joined the buddhist tulpa meditation server yesterday
why is that a thing and no one told me about it
5:34 PM
But the time I spent with it within my mindspace and the resulting feels that I gained through it. And even the eventual dissolving of it all align with much of the Tulpa related reading I've done recently.
this is the most fascinating thing I've read on this server in a long time
5:37 PM
@Lusovius please invite to Buddhist tulpamancy server
5:38 PM
This is the thread I made on the .info forums the day I began creating Marissa: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/15939-creating-marissa/
Hey guys. Im 28 years old, non-binary (female in a male body) and have decided today (after entertaining the thought without much research for a few weeks) that I will try to create a tulpa named Marissa. My spiritual background is a conceptual framework relayed by Roger Casti...
5:39 PM
I feel very different about the whole thing now though
5:41 PM
Well rather, I don't doubt that the Buddhist practice is a) possible b) "ethical" and possibly beneficial, but I don't think that's the route I wanna go anymore
5:41 PM
I'd be happy to have Marissa with me for the rest of my life
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@Maharani My guess is that no one told you because the server was declared dead as of last year. It still exists as a server though and its invite can be found in the #server-hub channel, 5th invite from the top. Reading the backlog of the theoretical Buddhism and meditation channels over there took less than two hours and I highly recommend doing so if you have any interest in the subject matter at all.
1:59 AM
I said a couple things in that server but it does appear to indeed be dead and I have misgivings about reviving it without talking to the owner.
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Oh interesting
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I joined a few other servers yesterday, just looking around. And one of them was very helpful in directing me to another server that has meta channels. (I had asked a question and they guided me to that other server and people in that server as means of answering that question.) Coincidentally, the person they had brought up just so happens to be the owner of that Buddhist server. So I joined that one but haven't said anything yet.
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,,Hahaha nice
2:04 AM
Oh lol this is my actual account, why am I using brackets
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The helpful server being tulpa central and the second active meta server being Tulpa chat, links to both of which can be found in this server.
2:05 AM
Tulpa central is very much not a meta server tho
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I've heard it's also a cesspit
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Eh. My introduction to the depths of the internet came in the form of /b/ so to me that's the definition of a cesspit and anything else is just degrees one way or another
2:13 AM
What is fascinating to you about that part of my little story? I'm going to hop on my computer and read the thread you shared in a bit. I had been meaning to ask you about your Tulpa process. How long have you been a part of this server?
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Fascinating because you're the first person I've met who had a "Buddhist-style" tulpa. I only quoted one paragraph but I meant your entire story was fascinating (edited)
2:16 AM
I started creating Marissa and joined this server six and a half weeks ago, Marissa has been vocal for three and a half weeks
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Oh why thank you. I'm not sure I would say it was a Buddhist style Tulpa, but then I haven't had much opportunity to research the Buddhist style yet. I certainly wasn't practicing Buddhism at the time. From what little I have stumbled across concerning the Buddhist creation method it seems to me that they would create the thing and then dissolve it after every meditation session. I could be mistaken
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Oh wow, if that's the case I thoroughly misunderstood Buddhist tulpas myself
2:25 AM
I assumed what was meant was that they would go through the creation process, which might take a few years, and then they would dissipate the tulpa for good
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Maybe that's it then. I certainly am not an expert on the subject
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Hmm I also assumed your meditation facilitator was a Buddhist, which may not have been the case?
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I don't think he was. Does Buddhism touch upon the akashic records?
2:27 AM
If he was he didn't mention it to my remembering
2:27 AM
It wasn't at a temple or anything
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Can't remember if the Akashic records are Buddhist or Hindu, lemme Google
2:29 AM
Oh neither, huh
2:30 AM
The concept of Akasha was invented by the Theosophical Society in the late 1800s
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That's interesting
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Hmm I just read your story again, I sorta skimmed over the part where you said your dragon disappeared because you did something bad you can't remember
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Yeah I don't remember what I did exactly. It might have been a decision I made. I clearly remember being in the car with mom at the time though.
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Pretty interesting that he vanished completely
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It was a long time ago and I haven't really thought about it until now (I'm 31 now)
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Standard modern tulpa theory says you could bring him back if you wanted
2:34 AM
I also appreciate that I now know two people on this server who are older than me
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Az, probably pleeb as well.
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I'm still top 5 phew
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How old are you?
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Turned 29 last week
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Ahh, you've got me beat
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Yes and I brought that up to the two I was conversing with earlier. Cat seemed to think that would be a bad idea
That's classically considered a bad idea
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Wow blanket statement much?
2:37 AM
It depends on if you want a tulpa lol
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Eh, as I told them I'll take your advice into consideration but in the end I'll end up doing whatever the heck it is I want anyway
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Sounds about right haha
2:39 AM
Can I ask where you're from?
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Michigan~
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@Maharani Regarding psychedelics and spiritual growth one of my favorite spiritual authors had something interesting to say about it. Essentially he started off by saying that drugs like cocaine, meth, and heroin blow open the lower chakras, but they end up trapping you down there, preventing a person from exploring the higher chakras. Whereas psychedelics effect on the energy body is they blast you right up through your higher chakras. Which one you end up at depends one the person and their level of growth and how much they've taken. After the effects wear off your awareness comes back to the lower chakras where you started. So psychedelics are like a shortcut to higher spiritual experiences, but they only show you a glimpse of what could be.
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Sounds about right IMO
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@Lusovius @Maharani For Buddhist style Tulpas does it include the concept of Yidams? I am reading a book about tantric mysticism by John Blofeld, it's really good. The process of Yidam creation described seems a bit similar and different to tupla creation. But I was wondering if this is not what you're referring to, then what would that practice be.
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With the Yidam it seems like they never dissipate it, it is continuous from creation til death
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is that right? i'm very curious to learn more. I can't say that I am at all knowledgable about the subject matter. I've only stumbled across snippets of conversation in discord servers as I have been doing research. let's see...I think my understanding of the concept comes from a photographed page of a book. let me see if i can find it
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Right, so in this poorly photographed page (you're going to have to open the original and then zoom in before you can even read it) On the end of the first paragraph of the second column It mentions that at the end of each Sadhana practice you would dissolve the visualization and rest in emptiness.
10:53 AM
ok ok i'll just go ahead and type it all out for y'all
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...surrounding deities, there's also a more secular and psychological interpretation that these nonmaterial realized beings are, in fact, within us, that these are actually out innate qualities being awakened. How are we to understand the relationship between these beings and these awakened qualities? Lama Tsultrim Allione: There are two terms that we haven't brought up yet that I think would be helpful: samayasattva and jnanasattva. Jnanasattva means "wisdom beings" and samayasattva means "pledge beings." The samayasattva is the visualization the practitioner creates, and it relates to our fundamental buddhana[ture?] Let's say I'm doing a Tara practice. I sound her seed syllable, "TAM," the sound frequency of Tara, and from that I create the visualization of her and visualize that I become Tara. That is samayasattva. But my visualiztion of myself as Tara is just samayasattva and is not yet imbued with the energy frequency of her wisdom energy; it's just my idea or concept of Tara that comes from the description in the texts and the blessings of having recieved [transmission?permission??] for the practice. As a normal human being, we operate at a certain energy frequency, and what we're trying to do is attune ourselves to a more refined, luminous, compassionate, open, vast energy frequency, and the vehicle for that is the samayasattva. Plus in Vajrayana, you always have lineage, and you've had the empowerment into the particular deity practice you have doing. That creates the ability to link with the jnanasattva energy field.
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So I would then send light out as the samayasattva and invite the blessings and wisdom from the jnanasattva -- in this case the wisdom level of Tara -- to come into me as the samayasattva I've created. Only at that point is one actually "alive as the deity," so to speak, one becomes the deity. As the samayasattva Tara, you send the light out and invite the wisdom being energy of Tara in. Then jnanasattva and samayasattva join together, and you are now transformed through the visualization into the deity, in this case Tara. You could say you actually go through an entire lifetime as the deity, from birth to death, during each sadhana practice, because at the beginning you are born as the deity, and then at the end you dissolve the whole visualization and rest in emptiness. Rob Preece: I'd like to bring into this the recognition that we each have buddhanature, buddha potential. If we're talking about Tara, the latency of that Tara potential is in our nature right now. It just needs to be woken up. So part of the jnanasattva and samayasattvaprocess is making that link between the wisdom being and our own innate nature. In visualizing ourselves as Tara, or opening to the connection to Tara, we're also waking up what's in our system already. We are beginning to make the connection so that our experience is awoken and imbued with that wisdom quality of the buddhas. Buddhadharma: Is there a range of practices that people take up in order.... (illegible book or chapter title. page 60? 69?)
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